Showing posts with label Spelke. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Spelke. Show all posts

Friday, June 5, 2009

Spelke:Liar for misrepresentation

I wrote a post on Spelke a couple while back.You had to be brainwashed to believe the shit she wrote,yet it was in a peer reviewed journal.Sigh...

Now I come upon this gem of hers from a debate:

At the top of their list of myths was the idea that males are primarily interested in objects and females are primarily interested in people. They reviewed an enormous literature, in which babies were presented with objects and people to see if they were more interested in one than the other. They concluded that there were no sex differences in these interests.

Steady there.The book which she says did this is an old 1974 book,called the Psychology of Sex differences.Such an old book is not prima facie evidence because science gets updated often.Let's see nonetheless what the book had to say:

There is evidence that boys and girls make somewhat different choices even at this early age,but the toy attributes responsible for the choices are obscure.

So boys and girls really do play with different toys,even though the cause is unclear,i.e. it cannot be understood whether boys want objects or girls people.

Hold on,though.To spelke's position,any gender difference in toy preference is anathema,because it suggests fundamental psychological sex differences.Spelke is, as far as I know, a denier of these(skeptics can simply google it-it's true).So why does she cite something that will likely be problematic for her position?

Because 99.99% of readers will never ever check up on the old psychology tome to see whether Spelke was wrong or right.(Incidentally,Spelke also cites SMPY data in one of her papers(which I have discussed) which contains a few elements supportive of her,which not unsurprisingly is the only portion of the data she cites.The rest of the SMPY data contradicts her thesis outright,yet she goes ahead and ignores it...because 99.99% won't even check.)

Now obviously,usually we do see boys preferring objects over people a bit,so I am quite confused as to why the Psychology of sex differences drew its conclusion.Apparently boys were concentrated quite a bit on masculine toys,but they did not always prefer object toys-on one occasion apparently they chose dolls for novelty according to the book.While that's all well and good-here is some more info.

Sex differences in the brain,a book by Becker,Barkley and Geary,gives an interesting table of sex-typed play:

(The differences are in d, that is,standard deviations)

Balls:.66

Bikes:.74

Blocks:1.05

Play figure male:1.01

Pretend play male:1.01

Trucks:0.92

There are some definite anomalies here:for example,look at play figures and pretend play.They are both more people oriented than trucks-yet more heavily segregrated by gender.What the hell?

The real issue is that more than object vs people dynamics are in play.Recall the savannah,where all male hunting teams went for some killing.Play figures may simply reflect the same-sex co-operation required for such an activity reflected in a need to play with figures representing male teammates.Such hunting teams still exist now-they have just changed names and purpose(Sports,D'oh!)

Pretend play is much the same case-the Psychology of sex differences says boys tend to be more sex-stereotyped in play and this pretend play may reflect their need to assert masculinity.

Above all,keep in mind that these are just hypotheses.Don't take these for gospel truth.Just remember that psychology is a lot more complex than an objects=boys/people=girls generalization.

Monday, June 1, 2009

Elizabeth Spelke's pseudoscientific paper

Elizabeth Spelke has written a paper avidly denying the well-documented cognitive sex differences.I have known these differences long,so I'll take some time for criticism.I will focus on her denial of the fact that males exhibit greater genetic variability than females regarding math.I'll skip right ahead to Spelke's treatment of SMPY data.

Because these conclusions depend on students’ scores on the SAT-M, they are open to two interpretations: Either more boys than girls have extreme talent in mathematics, or
SAT-M scores overestimate the abilities of talented boys,
relative to girls.

The SAT-M is a nice test,from what I have heard.It correlates with IQ at roughly 0.8-a large correlation indeed.By comparison,self-discipline influences grades twice as much as IQ.So,the SAT-M owns grades as far as assessing intelligence goes.
In early samples, more boys than girls entered the SMPY program, and boys went on to take more demanding high school mathematics classes.
And I think I know why-there has been immense pushes for girls to excel,including at male-dominated fields.Earlier,this was absent,and occupational segregration occured more.
 In the later samples, however, the numbers of male and female participants were nearly equal, as were the numbers of boys and girls in high school mathematics classes.
See above.Also,numerical equality proves dipshit.Besides which,sex differences start during high school and blossom in college so Spelke should look at that.She does so stunningly badly:
In college, male and female SMPY veterans continued to take equally demanding classes and got equally good grades, as do college women and men generally.
How demanding a class is has got nothing to do with admissions.Many idiots take advanced stuff until they learn it's not for them.However,I'd be interested if these males and females took a test on their demanding classes' teachings.Of course,we have grades instead,and grades correlate weakly with intelligence(see above).Coursework contributing to grades,etc. are simply not intelligence and representations of actual mathematics research.In this,you need effort, not brains.Constant tests and determining the GPA from them are bad as well.Males prefer sudden death exams,a fight or flight mechanism.By comparison,a female will prefer many exams and averaging out grades to play safe,a position consistent with her reproductive value being greater to the society.Gradual evaluation prefers continous effort and females.Let's examine areas where you really need brains:
The field medal:Biggest honor in maths.Equivalent of a Nobel.No woman has ever achieved it.

USA Math Olympiad:2008 team:(click to see full pic)

Not one woman.

 
They also graduated at equal rates and obtained an equal number of doctoral degrees.
And this was based on..grades.
Sex differences were found in students’ fields of concentration: Men received more degrees in engineering and physics, whereas women received more degrees in biology and medicine.
And this is exactly what Cohen expected to find from his E-S model of cognitive sex differences.Checking SMPY data, one reaches the conclusion that males gravitate to the inorganic sciences.Example:
Inorganic sciences(Bachelor's degrees):Cohort 1 males:46.7%,Cohort 2:65.9%,Cohort 3:82.2%
Females:23.2%(Cohort 1),35%,(2),45.4%(3)
And this is damning evidence against Spelke's fantasy that females and males are equally attracted to inorganic sciences.
Nevertheless, male and female students received degrees in mathematics at nearly equal rates.In one SMPY cohort, for example, 10.3% of men and 9.7% of women received bachelor’s degrees in mathematics, and 2.2% of men and 2.1% of women went on to receive
master’s degrees in mathematics (Benbow, Lubinski, Shea,
& Eftekhari-Sanjani, 2000)

I'll tell you why Spelke gives you this biased picture.The full data is somewhat different:
Cohort 1:about 5 males for 4 females got a Bachelor's in math,11 males for 10 females got a Master's,and twice as many got a Doctorate.
Cohort 2:Spelke's cohort.She apparently didn't notice that more than 80% of math doctorates were male in this cohort.More likely she knew yet distorted the truth.
Cohort 3:Males got more than twice the number of Bachelor's as females.Somewhat strangely,9.1% of females got Master's in math,while only 7.4% of males did.Even more strangely 8.7% of males got a doctorate.None of the females did.It is likely that the small female sample size(24) contributed to these anomalies.

That ends my rant.Have a nice day and don't believe Spelke. 

P.S.If in case,you need to look at the SMPY data,here it is:http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:LyqBKhfNG0sJ:www.vanderbilt.edu/Peabody/SMPY/DoingPsychScience2006.pdf+male+10.3+female+9.7+study+of+mathematically+precocious&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in